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Elizabeth Warren, TARP watchdog, was among those at a financial reform summit.

Late on your mortgage? Did you know you might be able to negotiate a 20 percent reduction in what you owe? Josh Rosner, a financial analyst specializing in mortgage-backed securities, says that lenders know that if a home goes into foreclosure, the lender will lose 60 percent or more. So what's stopping them? The banks that hold the second mortgages. Those banks routinely block such requests because debt reduction for a borrower would spell instant losses for them. And Treasury is letting them get away with it.

It's enough to make most people furious, and a recent New York summit that brought together the rock stars of power-to-the-people financial reform-everyone from TARP watchdog Elizabeth Warren, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, and investor George Soros to Rosner, ex-New York governor Eliot Spitzer, and MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan-one message came through loud and clear: The American people are mad as hell about a financial system that puts them last, and aren't going to take it anymore.

"Americans understand the game and don't like the game," said a steely Warren. "This is a dispute of families versus banks." Instead of creating the strong and independent Consumer Financial Protection Agency Warren has called for, Senate leaders now want to to set it up inside the Federal Reserve. That's like putting the chicken coop inside the fox hole. Though the Fed has been making up for it recently with new consumer-friendly regulations, it spent years enabling the booming subprime lending industry.


That's just how their lobbyists want it, said Warren: "Banks are fighting to kill the consumer agency so they can keep the fine print, write all the rules, and keep the contracts unreadable."

But consumers may have a lot more power than they realize. Rosner calculates that banks have $900 billion in second mortgages on their books – home equity loans, down payment helpers and such that are at best worth 40 cents now for every dollar the banks lent out. Just four big banks – Wells Fargo, Chase, Bank of America, and Citigroup – are on the hook for half of those loans. And right now, Rosner told the crowd, it's payday time for the Big Four, which have been blocking debt reductions for borrowers who badly need them.

So why has Treasury been letting the banks get away with blocking real debt reduction for consumers? "Banks are massively under-capitalized on second lien exposure," Rosner warned the crowd. If homeowners actually got the debt reductions they should be getting, "regulators would have egg on their face, the banks would be right back in TARP, it would seriously reveal the weaknesses of [Treasury's TARP] stress tests, and we'd be right back where we started" – with big banks on the brink, in need of massive bailouts. Rosner estimates that the banks have at most $225 million in reserves to cover such losses. By allowing those same banks to pay executives huge bonuses, "The government, I would argue, is tacitly or explicitly a partner in securities fraud."

Rosner says that borrowers have power to fight back, especially in "non-recourse" states where lenders can't go after their assets following a foreclosure. That's right – he's joining the chorus telling borrowers to take a stand and walk away from their mortgages. If enough do it, he says, banks will have to respond.

"Once people start making inbound calls and overwhelming servicers," suggests Rosner, "they'll be forced to decide – who should get a write-down, who should do a short sale, who should just keep making payments."

Just 15,000 calls demanding mortgage debt reductions, Rosner expects, could make all the difference.

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Tags: big banks, Elizabeth Warren, financial reform, George Soros, Joseph Stiglitz, Monetary Fund economist Simon Johnson, second mortgages

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 16)

1. clyde ward on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 08:13:PM said...

"Debt Reduction" just means not paying back what you owe a bank that is stupid enough to lend a loser that much money, to begin with.

The whole thing ought to just go belly up, which is probaly the only way to really fix it.

2. Elizabeth on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 09:00:PM said...

You really need to humble yourself. Losers? Define Losers? People that CAN'T pay thier bills? You are the loser if you are so high and mighty that you don't understand that people need help, especially right now. You don't seem very educated. Did you graduate from high school?

3. Mike on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 09:07:PM said...

Dear Clyde, This whole thing is much more complex than banks making bad loans. I resent being lumped into a category that is portrayed as irresponsible. When I built my home I had already purchased the property five years earlier. When I built the home my budget was such that I had 1100.00 dollars surplus going into savings every month. I felt that was very responsible. Insurance went from 816.00 to 5400.00 in 3 years (after hurricane Charlie). Taxes went from 1100.00 to 2600.00 due to inflated value. You do the math, how long can a responsible person sustain that. In addition I was a fringe comuter (38miles one way) and fuel went from 1.56 gal to over 3.50 gal. I worked all the overtime I could and am in the process of losing my home as I write this. Am I irresposible? Did the bank make a bad loan? Or are we blaming banks for other agencies shortcomings. Insurance companies are supposed to pool and save for disasters not spend all their profits on overpaid silver spoon executives and raise the rates astronomically when they are irresposible. The blame needs to be placed where it belongs. I am not irresposible nor is the bank that wrote my mortgage but I am being lumped into that crowd. Please tell me how you could have covered these excessive costs. My mortgage was the only bill that remained the same. Quit blaming banks and hard working homeowners. Place the blame where it belongs! Insurance companies should have never received any bailout for their fraud and shortcomings.

4. Peanut on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 09:26:PM said...

Clyde is a little harsh, but probably accurate. I work for a public agency and I see a lot. I mean a lot. A large number of folks have seriously over extended themselves, leaving themselves no room to make adjustments when things go bad. Have you seen the types of housing folks are buying? McMansions instead of smaller 3 bedroom houses. Ford Expeditions instead of Ford Rangers. Everyone has $200.00 per month Cable service. Several hundred dollars per month in Internet Service and Cell Phone serive.

Poverty is not what it used to be.

5. monica on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 11:29:PM said...

I think it is pretty irrational for you to assume that all the people in these positions went outside of their means. When I bought my house I went 20k under what the bank was willing to loan me. After 3 years in my house my mortgage went from $550 to $940, yes that was outside of my means when I questioned the bank they basically told me that my adjustable rate mortgage changed from being fixed for 5 years to not being fixed at all as well as my home warranty not covering the furnace that went out because the duct work had to be replaced with the furnace. The rest is an endless rat race trying to catch up, I have spent so much money on late fees in the last 2 years I could have put a 20% cash down payment on a house that was sinking into the ground- which is another story on its own. So when you call me a loser I take serious offense to that, I wanted a home for my children and have worked every day of my life for the last 10 years to try to keep it that way but it gets harder every month. honestly I would like to tell you to kiss my rear but then that would really put me in the same class of folks as you. God forbid anything like this happen to your family.

6. Lew Meyers on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 09:52:PM said...

Because of the non action of the big four in lending practices after receiving billions of dollars from the American taxpayers and extravagant
bonuses paid out to key people in the banking industry, it would improve the financial world if they were closed down and smaller banks would benefit and with the help of the Federal government to act accordingly to provide the American people what the banking institutions were originally set up to perform. We could also use some honest politicians that would consider America first.

7. BJB on Wednesday, Mar 10th at 10:20:AM said...

Absolutely right. What about the many people who REPAID their committments and debts? Do we given them money back? If you cannot afford your house, get out and let it be put on the market and restore the health of the economy.

8. sue on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 11:32:PM said...

My comment is to all those people who think debt reduction equals free ride. I saved for 5 years to make a good down payment on my home. I work a good job and made a comfortable income. I bought what I could afford on a 1:5 arm loan, refinanced after 1 year then, after 3 years decided to sell. I refinanced again to get a really low payment. Without realizing it, I swayed into a reverse mortgage. By the time I realized my error and refinanced again my mortgage had increased from it's original 185,000 to over 22000. Then the bottom dropped out of the market and the house that once appraised at 400,000 dropped to 210000. That's when things got interesting. The homeowners association discovered major remodeling needs to the exterior of our buildings and tacked a $650 assessment to my $281 monthly homeowners dues. I am now paying $3000 a month. Then I had a series of medical emergencies, first me, then my service dog. Between the two of us we ran our medical expenses over $15000. I applied for stimulus assistance. Bank of America did not want to refinance. They also could not include the cost of the renovation in any assistance. I was given a temporary 4 month reprieve where my interest rate was decreased, thus reducing the amount of my mortgage by about $250. At the end of the 4 months I received a notice to excelerate my mortgage. They said I did not qualify for assistance any more so I had to pay back the $1000 they gave me PLUS they want an additional $80 a month for their trouble. They gave me 2 weeks to come up with the money and said they would begin forecloser if I didn't satisfy the debt. They never sent me a notice to say that I didn't qualify and worse yet,I have spent many hours jumping through their hoops, on the telephone, at the bank, back on the telephone. Every person I talk to gives me different information but the bottom line is always the same...sorry we can't help you..tick tock you got till the 15th to satisfy this debt or we will report you to the credit agency and begin forcloser. The irony? in 10 years I have never made a late payment & never missed a payment. The only thing I'm guilty of is getting in a temporary tight place which the banks have effectively made worse. I am glad my tax money made THEIR bottom line look better.

9. Momma on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 11:31:PM said...

To Mike (reply dated Mar 9 @ 09:07pm):

I did the math on your scenario, and it doesn't add up:

You said after all your monthly expenses, you had a built-in buffer of $1100/month, which comes to $13,200/year. From that buffer, you had to deduct an additional $4584 in increased insurance premiums, $1500 in additional real estate taxes, and perhaps as much as $2000 in extra gasoline costs (380 miles/week divided by 20 MPG means you're buying 19 gallons of gas each week, times 52 weeks comes to 988 gallons, multiplied by the extra $2/gallon comes to $1976). That should leave you at least an extra $5000 in your annual budget.

I'm sorry you're having a hard time, and I know you don't want to be lumped in with people who spend beyond their means, but your numbers just don't jibe with your claim that expense increases beyond reasonable foresight have overwhelmed your financial buffer.

10. strongfemale on Friday, Mar 19th at 03:13:PM said...

DO YOU HAVE AN EDUCATION OR ARE YOU SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR IGNORANT THOUGHTS!!!!!!

11. Susan on Thursday, Mar 11th at 11:39:AM said...

Clyde, when I read your comments and others like yours, I am SO FURIOUS! You people don't have a clue. One day the media mentions the banks lending money to those going beyond their means and you just run with it! I would appreciate it if you all don't know the facts, don't talk like you do! Stop and look around. Read all of these comments. Jobs are being lost, adding higher taxes and insurance costs along with gas costs and everything else...people are in this mess BECAUSE of the mess of this countries' economy. We've been in our home of 15 years. We were very comfortable with our mortgage payment for 13 of those years. THEN, as so many others, I was laid off from my job. On top of that, my husband became seriously ill and is no longer able to work. And as I read, many people out there are taking care of ill loved ones finding them selves in this position.
We didn't plan for a serious illness to come along when we bought our house 15 years ago! Though we could've managed, like SO MANY these days, had it not been for the ole "cutback" with the employer.

So don't you or others dare make a generalized statement about the "PEOPLE BANKS ARE LENDING TO" when you don't EVEN know what the h#$% you're talking about! I just prey you are never in my situation in the future and find out what an incredibly ridiculous view you people have! And warning...just think about you're debt situation if you are layed off tomorrow.... because YOU'RE certainly not immune to it!

12. allie on Friday, Mar 12th at 07:36:AM said...

So, I am probably gonna get blasted here, but I have been on both sides..I was a mortgage lender for 20 years and I am now a credit counselor and I work with people filing bankruptcy, mainly they are either protecting their homes or trying to get rid of credit cards from banks that have gone to the default rate of 29.99%. I see it from both sides.
I left the mortgage business after 20 years because the writing was on the wall. I was being told by my bosses (at one of the top 2 lenders) to "make these loans work". And I would say, no, it does not make sense to give someone who makes $7.50 an hour a $250,000 loan just because they have a good credit score". I got written up because of my production because I refused to do it. On one hand, the realtors knew how our "stated income" programs worked and they would show the customers a $250,000 house rather than the $110,000 condo or smaller house they could really afford. So naturally the customer would see the dream of being a homeowner as a reality. They would ask for an ARM that would allow them to have a lower payment for 2 years because they wanted what everybody else seemed to have. I would make them look at their budget and understand how much an arm could adjust, and often I would convince them to buy a smaller home and take on a lower payment. Of course the realtors were mad at me, along with my bosses, but I could sleep at night. And, working on commmission, I was the least paid loan officer in the business. But, I eventually left because my bosses wanted to force me into making these bad loans and I would not do it. After leaving, I went into the non-profit world and I now work as a credit counselor, helping people work on reestablishing a new budget now that they have had to walk away from their home or are trying to save their homes. 90% of people I talk to have lost their jobs or had a major illness. Only a small handful have created this by themselves. Most of them acknowledge they did not really understand the loans they got in to (shame on the loan officer and closing attorney for not explaining )....and most of them have tried for modifications. I have only heard of ONE being successful. I have many times heard the customer say "I was working with BofA, they gave me a four month trial period, and then called it all due and said I did not qualify". Because of the history I gather, I can see where these people have been responsible, did the right thing. But if they live in areas that have been strongly affected by outsourcing, construction, or the auto industry layoffs, they are just stuck. Their are no jobs. They can't refinance because the value isn't there. Peoples kids are moving home and 7 people are living in a 3 bedroom house. It is tragic. Many people are guilty of not reading the fine print. But the banks are not helping by escalating rates or not being willing to work with the customers, whom, if given a chance, would eventually rebound.

13. Deborah Cooke-Oetken on Sunday, Mar 14th at 11:41:AM said...

Some people are in situtions that can not be helped! I lost 3 times my income when my husband decided the grass was greener on the other side.

14. terry on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 08:18:PM said...

I think we should start a petition and gather 15,000 names. I'm sure there are more than 15,000 "mad as hell" Americans out there. Then we should all call each and every one of the loan companies until we acheive our goal. You think Bank of America would appreciate 15,000 plus "mad as hell" phone calls? Then we move on to Citibank etc etc....

15. TJ on Monday, Mar 15th at 12:36:PM said...

You start the petition and I will sign it, my husband will sign it, my roofer will sign it, etc, etc. Wells Fargo Home Mortgage has had use tied for almost two years. I was laid off two years ago from MN state government after almost 24 years. Wells Fargo has had us in two forbearances payment schedules and we are now in our second "trial payment plan" for the Hamp program. They ask for the same information month after month after month. I think they are waiting until we send them some new info that will give them a reason to kill us off. They "lose" paperwork right and left. I have closed all of my WF accounts and will now agree to anything just so I can get out from under them. They are the cruelest mortgage people in the world. In the meantime, I get letters from our local Wells Fargo mortgage rep offering me services until he looks us up in the records -- then good bye.
I tell everybody I know to boycott them.

signed "used to have A++ credit"

16. wendy grimm on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 08:37:PM said...

What's to be mad about. If you hadn't borrowed money you shouldn't have borrowed in the first place then you wouldn't be in this position. This whole mess is about people who wanted more than they could really afford. What about the people who live within their means? We're paying for all of you who didn't.

17. Christina on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 08:52:PM said...

I am in agreement with you Terry.. absolutely.

18. terry on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 09:18:PM said...

to wendy... how about us good old fashioned people who worked hard all of our lives and borrowed within our means. and then Wendy your husband loses his seven day a week job.... kinda heartless aren't you

19. Luis on Wednesday, Mar 10th at 01:38:PM said...

lay-offs cause familys to lose control, till you lose your job or your spouse, you than can understand

20. Louie on Tuesday, Mar 9th at 09:13:PM said...

I'm in and I can find few hundred to help out ! Bank of America needs to be the one on the punch list !!!!!!!!!!! They are useless !

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